A continuation of the Kathie Anderson interview, co-coach inside Kacey’s signature group coaching program Simply Healthy Academy.
During this part of the interview, both Kathie and Kacey discuss why SHA is such a good fit for so many women out there and why you might not realize yet that you need this program.
Remember to share this episode if this helped you today and please leave a review!
A continuation of the Kathie Anderson interview, co-coach inside Kacey’s signature group coaching program Simply Healthy Academy.
During this part of the interview, both Kathie and Kacey discuss why SHA is such a good fit for so many women out there and why you might not realize yet that you need this program.
Remember to share this episode if this helped you today and please leave a review!
[00:10] Kacey K: Welcome to the Simply Healthy You podcast, your place for overcoming overwhelm with your health to reach your fullest potential. I'm your host, Kacey Kane and I am so pumped to have you here. I'm a recovering, burnt out high achiever who is diagnosed with an autoimmune thyroid condition by my early thirty s. I.
[00:27] Kacey K: Didn'T realize that running myself ragged in.
[00:29] Kacey K: The name of being superwoman and determined to achieve all the things in life was killing my body. I created this podcast so that you don't have to continue the struggle like I did for over a decade. I sat down, studied the data, and simplified what it means to prioritize your own health needs so that you can be the best for all the things on your to do list. Everything you hear on this podcast, I have tested and implemented in my own super packed life with my family to bring you the tips, tools, and strategies that will keep your life simply healthy.
[01:06] Kacey K: Hello and welcome to another episode of Simply Healthy You. I'm your host, Kacey Kane, an integrative health practitioner and certified Holistic nutritionist with a Master's in Psychology. I'm here to bring you science based conversations to help you live a healthier and happier life. Today's episode is part two of my interview with Kathie Anderson, the co coach inside of Simply Healthy Academy, talking about her journey from being my business coach, becoming a client two times, watching the evolution of Simply Healthy Academy. And in this second part of the episode, we really talk about why we truly do believe in our heart of hearts that simply Healthy academy is the perfect program for every woman out there. And why we truly do believe that no matter what you are coming into the program with, you are going to see tremendous, amazing results and long lasting changes that are going to transform your life. I hope you enjoy the second part of this interview. I'd like to say I'm pretty much the shit at this point, obviously, and I think that was a big impetus behind getting these last two certifications. I mean, I didn't start these certifications, I hadn't even enrolled in these certifications when I also started working with the same Naturopath for my anxiety. I've talked about a lot on this podcast, the anxiety that I was having and the depletion I was having because my son did not sleep through the night or sleep well at all until he was about 22 months old. And so two years of not getting enough sleep and having a shit ton of stuff to do all the time really depleted my body, even though I knew all the things that I needed to know. And I think you hit it on the head with sometimes the one Brazil not a week is not actually what we need when we are getting depleted at a faster rate, right? And so I also needed that lab work and I knew that I have a great primary care, but it's not really close to my house. And I knew that it was going to be a project even just to get insurance to go along with the tests that I knew that needed to be run, right? And so these cash labs that are available that I now can run, that I was able to run with the Naturopath, now my clients are able to do that with me, I think makes a tremendous difference in what people are able to do and what I'm also able to do for clients. It helped me discover, like, this is a gap, that if I could fill it, I could help people so much more, right? I could help people because I had clients who I was making recommendations to, to say, hey, next time you go to get your blood work, ask them for a full thyroid panel, right, instead of just your TSH, right? And I had multiple clients come back to me and say that their doctors were like, no, I'm not going to do that. And when one was even asked, how do you even know how to ask for that? And she said, Well, I'm working with a holistic nutritionist, whatever. The doctor had the audacity to turn around and say, I'm not going to be used by a holistic nutritionist to run labs if I don't think it's necessary, I'm going to run your TSH. And that's what I see fit now. I get from a liability.
[04:03] Kathie A: They say, Tell your nutritionist to go get if she has to run lab. I tell that story all the time.
[04:09] Kacey K: That was fucking bald. They said, yeah, if she wanted to be able to run labs, she should have gone to med school. Now, one, I am never in a million years going to go to med school. I do not want that training. That is not training that I want. I do not want to be taught by the pharmaceutical industry. I've talked about that many times on this podcast, so I will leave that rant for another day. But I think I understand the liability from a doctor's standpoint, right? Like, yes, they are liable for every test that they recommend that they write a thing for or whatever, but the difference between testing someone's TSH and a full thyroid panel is next to nothing. It's a few additional numbers. And the actual reality of it is they don't know what to do with those extra numbers because they haven't been trained in what to do with those extra numbers, and so they don't think it's necessary. Regardless, the bedside manner was absolutely absurd. That's not appropriate. Whether you think that your patient is asking you for something that you don't think that they need, there's a better way to explain that to them. And so I knew that I needed to fill that gap. And that's when I searched and scoured on the Internet for something that I could do in a reasonable amount of time without going back to school entirely, that would allow me to have labs for clients. And now I have the ability to do that, which that's huge already in the clients that I have used it with. This round, like you experienced, it has been life changing for these people because, yes, the supplements that I was giving them certainly did help. I mean, it's what got them to this point without completely crashing and burning. But there was ways in which it was obvious to me, even from working with them all this time, that something wasn't absorbing properly. Right? Like a couple of your numbers. I remember you saying, I'm taking a supplement for this, and it's not even registering on my labs right now.
[05:56] Kathie A: Or remember, my vitamin C was low. Excuse me, I live on mango and pineapple, and no one on the planet eats as much vitamin C as I do, I think. And so for it to show that I was depleted in vitamin C was like a glaring red flag. Like, hey, something is for sure wrong. There's no way that if your body is doing what it's supposed to do based on what's going into it, there's no way. And some other things, like B twelve, and there were just other things that, yeah, I was taking supplements, or based on tracking my food in chronometer and seeing what was going in, what the results of that blood work were and where I was depleted, it just gave clear indications that something is going wrong. Things are not being absorbed. Now we need to figure out why. That was a major turning point in my whole health journey, for sure.
[06:53] Kacey K: So now you go through this whole thing. Now you're a brand new woman, and you feel fantastic. You're on your way there, right? Like, everything's not resolved, but you are definitely well on your way there. And we know it's the unsexy part, right, of doing things the right way and supporting our body in the right way. It just takes time. It took time for us to get this depleted, and it takes time to get better. But what was it that made you so I had approached you about becoming a co coach inside the program after your second round when you were starting to feel better. I had been thinking about it for a long time, but you were in such a bad place with your health that I knew it wasn't the time or place to ask for that. Right. So I had approached you about it, I talked to you about it. I gave you some of the ideas that I had for bringing you in specifically for the mindset mental health work. Because while that was always a part of Simply Healthy Academy, because of my psychology background and because I knew how important it was to have in there when we're talking about nutrition and we're talking about health, our relationship with food, our relationship with our health, all of that is so personal. It's so emotional. You need that extra so. But I knew that I couldn't keep up. I was not doing that portion the service that it needed. And like you said, I wasn't happy with just leaving it the way it was and writing it out. I wanted to improve that part. So what were your thoughts initially about becoming a co coach and what ultimately made you want to become a coach?
[08:17] Kathie A: I think that my initial thought was like fuck yes. Can we start yesterday? And the reason why is I mean a culmination of everything. We've already talked about one as soon as you talked about wanting to launch it I knew it was going to be an amazing program and even better than the program that I had been running myself. So I knew that it was doing good in the world. Then I participated in it twice and had tons of results. My sister participated in it and had amazing results like again, life changing results. And she has never hired an online coach or she's not in this world. That's not her jam. I thought it was laughable that you were going to try to get her to enroll and then you were like, no, she DM me about this and I was like, all right, I'm going to talk to her about it too. But I didn't really encourage her that much because I didn't want her to feel pressured. So when she would ask me questions I would say, yeah, well ask Kacey this or ask this, but here's why I think it would know. And I knew she had to do it and it was life changing for her. She's never done my program. You know what mean like anyhow I.
[09:26] Kacey K: Remember thinking it was such a big accomplishment when I got accomplishment and knowing her afterwards and how much she heavily scrutinizes every I mean she's very similar to me in that sense. I heavily scrutinize something before I buy into it. I do not make recommendations lightly and she is very much like me in that sense. And she was highly skeptical. And I think I have a screenshot know one of her wins, one of her successes in the program that even says I was highly skeptical that Kacey could help me with mean. The fact that she enrolled one was just such a testament to the value of the program, and then two, how much she got out of. The program for someone who is going in so skeptical of it and how.
[10:12] Kathie A: Much her life 100%. And she is not someone who I think in her entire life has ever made a purchase or a decision like this off of emotion. There are a lot of people who are going to do that and that's not a bad thing. There's a lot of people who are going to do that because they're feeling so frustrated, they just need help or they just need a way out. So they're willing to hire anyone and everyone.
[10:37] Kacey K: Right?
[10:37] Kathie A: Like throw spaghetti at the wall and hope for the best and hope something sticks. And that is not her. She is not making a decision out of emotion. It is through, like you said, being very analytical, really looking at the details and figuring out if this is going to be helpful. So, again, yeah, for you to have thought it was a huge testament, you still should, every day, that is a huge accomplishment. To get my sister enrolled in something. I still think that is just like the biggest trophy you could have on your wall. But yeah. So when it came to possibly becoming a co coach, knowing you as a coach was a big part of it. Knowing how valuable the program would be was part of it. Then having gone through it two times and seeing such massive, drastic changes in my own health was part of it. Seeing how massive the changes were for my sister was a huge part. Having a lot of my past clients go through it and talk to me about their experience, because that was a big thing too. Behind the scenes for over a year, year and a half, having clients of mine message me and talk to me about the program or asking questions while they were going through it, oh, do you think we're going to get to this? They knew me really well. It was easy for them to reach out to me and ask questions and tell me how their experience was and tell me how they were enjoying it and telling me what they either loved so much about it or what was really surprising to them in it. Whatever. All those pieces. Over the years, by the time it came around to where I was lifting out of this huge mental and physical fog, where I had been sick constantly for two years and again struggling with depression and burnt out and all of these things, I was not sure that I wanted to recommit to a group coaching program. I had poured my whole life, my whole being, into a group coaching program for several years. And I loved it. Like I said, it was my baby. But once I had released it, it took a huge weight off of my shoulders and I was not sure if I wanted to dip back into that. But because it was your program, because I knew how valuable it was, because it was you, and because I had seen everybody, including myself and my own sister, getting so many results for so long and I knew that I could contribute, that was a big part of it, too. The fact that I knew that having gone through it, especially a second time, seeing what the mindset exercises were or where I could contribute, I'd be on a call thinking, OOH, I could add this or I could add this piece of homework. And that just made it an absolute, 100%, very quick, no brainer fuck yes. When you asked if I wanted to be a co coach because I love coaching, I am a coach. In my soul, there's no question I love coaching. However, I certainly never wanted to work for someone else. Like, why the fuck would I want to coach in someone else's program? But again, once it was you and it was this program, it just made sense. And again, I think that's all a testament to just how valuable this program is. Because I am a snob. I am a snob about coaching programs. I really thought for years that nobody could hold a candle to mine. It was just better than anything else out there. And then the fact that you made one that was better, I could have, looking back, been kind of salty about that, but instantly knowing that, no, this is what people need. I want to be a part of that, and I want to contribute to it. And I want to add to the homework, I think not just the mindset side, which is my strength. I feel really strong in that area, but even some of the modules or some of the lessons on nutrition. I like to contribute homework. I remember when we were talking about looking at labels, and I had suggested something for the homework to make sure people had one thing to practice that week, and that was something. Again, it was already strong, but I knew I could contribute, and then I wouldn't feel useless, like I just got added onto this program for nothing. I would not have wanted to do it then. If you were just crushing every single area of it and there was nothing I could do, I would have been flattered that you asked, but I wouldn't have done it. And so the fact that it was the best program I have ever seen anybody doing in the health space and that I knew I could add some value to it was like, yeah, have to do this for sure. And I love it. I love being in this program for sure. It's top tier. Yeah.
[15:05] Kacey K: And I do think that you have contributed, obviously so much more than just the mindset piece. And that is obviously why I put the invite out to begin with, because I knew that wherever you saw a place where things could be more practical for clients and help them implement things would be your strong suit. It's always been your strong suit. It was always something that in our business coaching relationship, you were able to do. For me to say, hey, you would look at my life and I think this is something that a lot of coaches in general miss the mark on. Whether you're a business coach or a health coach or something like that, to be able to look at your clients life and say, okay, yes, this strategy works in most cases for most people. But I can see this person is having a really hard time with this. And I need to think about this differently for them in order for them to be able to implement it in a different way. And you and I are very similar in our coaching style in that way because we are paying attention to what is going on with our clients when they're being open. Right. We can't read minds, but when we know what's going on with our clients and we know that something isn't clicking, maybe in the same way that we might always teach it, we're not just going to be like, well, that's how I do it sucks for you if it doesn't work. Right. We are going to look at it in a different way. And I knew that you would help to contribute that to the program as well, to be able to look at it with a different lens and say, okay, this normally works here, but it's not working for you, so how can we make this better?
[16:24] Kathie A: Yeah, I always say that. I think the fact that my background and my career started with working with kids actually made a huge difference in me being good at working with adults, because I taught preschool, I taught gymnastics to preschoolers. I ran a kindergarten program. And when you have 23 year olds in front of you or whatever, they're not all going to absorb the information the first time you say it. They're all learning differently. And you have to get really good at adapting how you teach to make sure that each child walks away with what you're trying to get them to walk away with. And that's the same for adults. And I think that's a huge difference between online course creators or online teachers. Not like classroom teachers, online teachers for adults who are just presenting information, which is valuable, versus a coach who is helping you implement it into your life. And yeah, as your business coach, a big thing was knowing your lifestyle. For a lot of our coaching, you were pregnant or nursing or having a newborn who's not sleeping. That's totally different than a client of mine who was working very part time a couple of years ago. She had a part time job and she had the rest of her life all day, every day to commit to growing a business. And she wasn't very dynamic online. And so we had to figure out a plan that suited her. Right. Her having the same plan as you would not have made any sense. I have some clients who I am, and this is life coaching and business coaching. Life coaching is very similar, but I have some life coaching and business coaching clients who I have to push them to do more. They're not using their potential sometimes. And then I have several clients who I have to push them to do less. They are working too hard, they are pushing too hard. They're burning themselves out and knowing the difference and being able to not just teach the one thing, you know, presentation style to everyone and hope they get out of it what they need. That is not coaching, that's just teaching, presenting again, be a course creator. And I think that, again, that is why your program is so successful, because you have that skill and then on top of it, you have co coaches in the program who possess the same skills and are very aware of that as well. But you are really strong at that. And on a call you might be presenting, okay, here's the supplements I'm recommending. I know we've mentioned supplements a few times or workouts that you were recommending before. Kelsey was a co coach in the program or whatever it was. But then in slack or on the call when people are participating, it's like, how is this going to apply to your life? How is this going to fit in? And for some people who are sitting there literally racking their brains going, I don't know. I literally don't know how I could fit this in, you are going to tweak that suggestion for them and find a way to make either to make it fit or make it easier or say, you know what? This is not the top three things you need to worry about. Fucking ignore it. Like, completely ignore that I just gave this advice, put it in your back pocket for later when it can fit in. And that, I think, is a huge difference between a coach who goes into a program like this with an ego. They have to prove how smart they are. And that's a lot of people, a lot of entrepreneurs are egomaniacs, for sure. I'm one of them, no question. There is no question. I have a huge head and I care a lot about how well I can do something. And I often find myself trying to prove myself. And there's a huge difference between somebody who's trying to prove how smart they are versus someone who's trying to make sure you get results. And I think that you offer that in such a supportive way. And that's why people, again, are getting such amazing results from program and not wanting to leave. Because you go through the program and if it was just the modules, just the recordings, or even just the calls where you're presenting, if it was just that, no one would really need to repeat it. Maybe they'd repeat it a second time because there's a lot of information, so it is a lot to digest. But even just for me, from the first round I did to the second round I did, a lot of the information was the same. It's not like the content had changed a ton by then. Now it has evolved quite a bit, but it's not like the content had changed tremendously. But I had implemented some things. Now I'm in a different chapter of my life. I have space to implement other things or maybe phase some things out and you were going to help me do that. So now someone who does the program for 20 weeks and they've implemented maybe the top four things that they could throughout that five months, then they do another round and they're able to stack on top of that and keep building their skills. Yes, they're continuing to learn more of the education piece, but more so they're giving the support on how to continue evolving their actual action plan at home. And that is a huge I mean, that's why people are going to continue seeing benefits no matter how many rounds they do. If somebody enrolls for the next ten rounds of this program, they are going to continue to see additional benefits and additional results every single round for that reason.
[21:37] Kacey K: Yeah, at this point, we have a few clients in this round that I have been working with for a little over a year now. At this point, they have been through three rounds and some are going into Simply Healthy Society still after this for that continued support. Because it isn't just about that. Again, I think, you know, going back to where we got to this point of just talking about our coaching methods and the difference between people who are just out there teaching this information, right. The difference between seeing this information on Instagram you can get a fair amount of my gut information on my instagram or my hormone information. I talk about hormones all the time because it is such a huge part of women's health struggle right now. I mean, we are experiencing it at an unprecedented rate. You could learn a lot of things from my content and that's why I put it out there. I put it out there because I want people to be helped by it in some way. But being able to take that information and implement it into your own life and figure out what it means for you and put something into practice that is actually going to change your health, that's kind of hard to do just from an Instagram post. I think we significantly underestimate that and that's a huge part of, like I said, what we do inside of Simply Healthy Academy and why I wanted to bring you on as another coach because I knew you would only add to that component of really being able to help people get practical results. We are, I think, over an hour now at this point. So this will probably be maybe multiple part episodes because I don't have very long episodes on this podcast when I'm doing it by myself. But I guess if we could sort of start to wrap up you have come at this program from so many different angles, right? I think we have such a unique relationship that you've really seen this program.
[23:26] Kathie A: From so many how many people can say that they were the business coach to someone while they were building the program? Then they enrolled in the program. Then they continued coaching the person while they were evolving that program. Then they enrolled in the program a second time. Then they became a coaches. That is, I think, a pretty unique situation.
[23:43] Kacey K: It's pretty unique, and I hope that everyone really sees it for the testament that it is to what this program includes and what this program actually does. I'm going to toot my own horn here for a second, but that's a pretty amazing fucking feat that I managed to take my business coach from. Like, obviously, I know there's going to be the skeptics out there, right? Well, you were paying her. Of course she's going to believe in what you're doing, right? Because there are those coaches out there that don't give a shit about their.
[24:11] Kathie A: Yeah, but then I enroll in the program, right?
[24:13] Kacey K: But then you paid to become a client twice, right? Twice. You're like, no, I'm going to enroll twice.
[24:20] Kathie A: I'm investing in myself to be in that program. I don't know how many people do something like that.
[24:27] Kacey K: And like you said, then close down your own program because a lot of personal reasons for that as well. But then close down your own program to be like, no, everyone just needs to go do this instead. Again, I just hope everyone sees that for the testament that it is because that is no small feat to take someone on that journey with them and then have them be so invested. Most of my clients are not going to be like, yes, I want to be a co coach inside your program, right. To have such a great experience, but also see the evolution of it and then want to be a part of it.
[24:58] Kathie A: It's why I pointed out that I'm a snob, too. I am a snob. I think that most programs suck. There's a lot of online programs. There's been a huge boom of additional online coaches coming through since everything shut down and people started working from home and people wanted to side Hustle and all that. And I think most programs are absolute trash, and I truly, really thought mine was head and shoulders above everybody else's. I am fully admitting I am a snob. I look down on a lot of programs out there and think that most coaches aren't that good, and I am happy to receive hate for it. I don't care because I do think there's just a ton of trash out there. So for me to be such a snob and have such high standards for what equals a good program and then to say, like, damn, this one's better than mine, I could shut. Mine down. That is why I pointed out that I'm a snob, because I think that we've said it 106 times, but it truly is the biggest fucking testament I could ever give personally, right?
[25:59] Kacey K: So if there was any doubt after this episode put in someone's mind about why they should be in Simply Healthy Academy, how would you close this out? What else would you want to say to that person who is still kind of on the fence about whether or not this is going to be a worthwhile investment for their health?
[26:16] Kathie A: Using myself as an example, especially having done the program twice from two different chapters of my life as well, the first time I did it, it truly was a I wanted to be in there and support you and see what was going on and see how you were as a coach and all that. But I said, I want to clean some things up. I want to eat a little bit healthier. I don't think I'm eating as healthfully as I could. And just from curiosity and wanting to make some basic changes and improvements, I had massive results. Two year and a half, two years later, I was experiencing significant symptoms and needed relief, and I found it. So to me, whether you are someone who thinks maybe this could help me a little, or maybe I could improve a few things, or you're someone who's, like I, desperately need a lifeline on either end of the spectrum, you are going to walk away with massive changes in your health. And they might even be changes you didn't fully. It's kind of like, yeah, my skin is bad, but I was not enrolling for that. And I was like, Shit, look at my skin clearing up. What happened? And then my migraines had reduced and headaches had reduced, and I lost weight, and I wasn't trying to that wasn't the goal. I think someone even just being curious about cleaning up their nutrition, cleaning up their health, will walk away with such huge results that they did not see coming. And they'll also look back and be like, oh, shit. I actually had this symptom. This symptom, this symptom. I didn't notice. I just felt like I was getting older. I just thought, these are things that happened when you turn 30, when you turn 35, when you turn 40. But no, Kacey showed me that those things were not working optimally, and I can heal them. So I think someone who's just mildly interested in being a little healthier should do it because they're going to be blown away by how much changes. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, someone who needs that lifeline, who is struggling with so many symptoms. I know you and I talk about this all the time when it comes to marketing, I will nag you about go on Instagram and talk about one symptom. But it's so hard because people are having a hormone imbalance and don't know they're having a ton of symptoms and may not be registering it. Somebody who's having a gut imbalance and doesn't realize it, they're probably having a ton of symptoms. It could be brain fog. It could be know, there's so many. For me, it was severe depression. At first I thought I needed therapy. Turns out I needed Kacey. You know what mean? Like, there was so much more going on than I realized. And so I guess that's the best thing I could say is whichever end of the spectrum you're on, you're mildly interested in cleaning things up a little bit or you need a lifeline. You are going to get so much more out of this than you could ever anticipate, because a lot of the things you're currently writing off as not. I told this to Kacey the first time I watched her stories when she was launching this, I did not think I had symptoms. She said things about headaches, and I had headaches, and I still didn't recognize it because I was just like, yeah, I just like, my mom has headaches, my sister has headaches. I don't know. I've just had them forever. This is just how my life is. Right. I just think everyone should do it. I think everyone should do it. And even if someone was like, I don't think I have any symptoms. I think they should do it anyhow. And if they walk away with no changes, I will personally pay them back.
[29:38] Kacey K: Yeah.
[29:39] Kathie A: Because it would just blow my mind. It would be impossible if somebody did your program, implemented everything and did not see changes in their health. I feel like that would be actually impossible.
[29:50] Kacey K: That would be an anomaly. I think that would be an anomaly. And I think you made a great point there, because the headaches in particular, I don't think there is a symptom out there that I don't think there's a person out there that isn't having something that bothers them on a regular basis. Right. Because unfortunately, it's just part of the way we were raised, part of the way that the modern world is moving, part of the way that the food system is broken. Right. All the things I talk about all the time. I just posted this in my stories the other day about a client who primarily came to Simply Healthy Academy to fix her migraines, and she had no idea that they were related to her hormones. No matter how many times she saw me in my stories and in my content talk about migraines and related to hormones, she just didn't think she didn't make that connection. Right. And in her testimony, she said, I started this for my migraines, and not only do my migraines not exist anymore, but my period is lighter, which I didn't even think was that bad before. It's not as heavy, which I didn't even think was that bad before. My skin is better, which I didn't even think was that bad. Of all the things that you just said, have been living with these issues for our whole life, for many of us, right. These things started at an early age where our body was saying, hey, I'm kind of out of balance right now. Right? And they've just continued to build. So what started off as something really small, that was easy for us to write off may have become something big, but we're so used to dealing with it every single day. It doesn't even resonate with you anymore. With a migraine, it's a little bit different, right? It's very hard to ignore a migraine, but you're just so used to okay, it's that time of the month. I'm getting my migraine that I usually get, and I'm going to get my heating pad and I'm going to go in my dark room. And this is just my ritual now of what I need to do around my period or when these migraines pop up or any of that kind of thing, or, okay, I've got my period. Now I've got to put on the super pad and make sure I put on my crappy underwear and those shorts that I don't mind because it's probably going to leak. We have those rituals and routines that we've made now around these health issues that we don't even think about resolving that problem anymore.
[31:51] Kathie A: Well, and I think people don't. It's hard to think ahead to what the snowball effect will be. Right. So, for instance, I was used to having bad skin. I was sure that I would have bad skin until the day I died. I was no longer really on a major pursuit to solve that. Like, I moved on. Somewhere in my thirty s, I was like, listen, I still have acne in my 30s, whatever, I'm over it. I don't care. I'm going to live like this. And so I wasn't really looking for a solution on that. And it might be something that's like, all right, well, yeah, maybe somebody's listening, like, yeah, me too, and I don't want to pay thousands of dollars to figure this out. Like, what the hell? But to me, when I look back, that improved my confidence a lot. Improving my confidence and not feeling like I had to put on makeup every day. I wore makeup every day of my life since like 6th grade. Every day. I have always worn full foundation to cover up my very gross skin until what, two years ago, three years ago, which is crazy, from the age of eleven to 35, 36, to have worn full makeup every day, even if I was around the house, because I was not even confident with the people who lived with me. I did not want people to see my skin. So if there was a day where I wasn't going to wear makeup or something like that, especially once I started working from home full time and things were shut down. I ended up making more money and advancing my career because I had more confidence, because I didn't have to wait to put on a full face of makeup to go on and market my program. Obviously, that's very specific to me. I'm an entrepreneur who markets things on Instagram that's not going to apply to everyone. But my point is to think about some of these things and how they could snowball into really impacting your life in a hugely positive way that maybe you're not seeing yet because of what you just said. You learn to live with those symptoms and just write them off like headaches and migraines. Obviously, getting rid of that has changed my life tremendously. But also something that my sister mentioned, and I also am experiencing, especially right now, some of the recent changes I've made because I still continue to implement more things from Simply Healthy. It's been three years. I'm not doing everything you've taught us. It takes time to keep implementing new parts of it. I have had so much more energy in the last probably six months than I've had maybe ever in my life. I am getting so much done. I started a nontoxic candle company and that was going well and doing really well, and then making a few additional changes, having so much energy that's doing so much better. That business is growing now beyond what I planned for it to kind of be a hobby. It has grown so much. It's doing so well beyond what I had thought because I have energy or I am a way more fun ant than I think. I was always the fun ant, to be clear. But now I feel like I am the most fun ant. I never sit on the sidelines while they're doing something. I always participate with them. Just this weekend I went home and visited them and not that I wasn't doing this before, but it would have been a lot harder a couple of years ago, but we went to a trampoline park. I was bouncing with them for 90 minutes. I am sore as shit today from like, the Ninja Warrior obstacle course. My whole upper body is so sore. But I'm going to be turning 40 in a year and I'm really glad that there were a lot of adults in that place who were younger than me watching, sitting and watching. And that's fine. That's their choice. I'm certainly not judging that by any means. But to me, having more energy is it's hard to measure and say, oh, I had a four before and now.
[35:32] Kacey K: I have an eight.
[35:32] Kathie A: Like, I don't know. It's hard to measure and quantify and qualify, but I can say it makes me more money, it makes me a better family member, it makes me a better partner. When I have more energy, I have more energy to make food and then I continue to eat better, which gives me more energy. There's so many tangible things, but you can't predict them. And that's why I think it can be difficult for people like you and I to market and promote a program like this, because I want to go on and say every day is this program will fix everything. Is there any part of your life you don't think you're the best at? Well, it'll get fixed. Just be version 2.0 of yourself after you do this program. But that's too vague. It doesn't help people to hear that. So it's tough because there are a lot of programs that are like, enroll in this program, you will lose weight. Cool. Somebody who wants to lose weight knows this is the program I need. Or enroll in this program, it will clear up your acne. Okay, cool. I know. I want that. But your program is enroll in this program. It's going to solve a ton of things that are bothering you, a ton of things you didn't even realize were bothering you because you've been coping with them. It'll open new doors for you. It will make a lot of things feel possible that you didn't think were possible. The world is about to be your oyster. Just enroll. But I think it's really hard for someone sitting at home to conceptualize that sometimes.
[36:53] Kacey K: Yeah, well, thank you for also validating how hard it is for my marketing in our business relationship. It's not my area of expertise, and I've always grown in trying to market it. But at the same time, I feel the same way you do in that there are only positive side effects that come from doing this program. Right. Like, you usually read a list of side effects that you get from something and it's like negative things that are going to happen because you fixed one thing and you will come into simply Healthy academy for maybe one thing, and you are going to have so many positive side effects that happen because of it. There is no part of your life that isn't going to be touched by the changes that you implement inside of this program. And it is really hard to market that.
[37:33] Kathie A: It is really hard. I mean, I experienced something similar with my program, but I had a little thing I could kind of lean on that helped me market my program. But yeah, both the beauty for the clients of this program is that it's so holistic, but it just makes your life harder as a marketer because super holistic, we're going to fix everything is hard to put out there. So hopefully people just listen to this entire episode and they realize their whole life is going to change. And then they're like, oh, well, of course I want to change my life. Click, purchase, enroll. Thank you so much.
[38:04] Kacey K: Done. Yes, well, and I think to summarize it all, I think that that is why you and I will still continue to try to market this program, right? There have been so many hiccups along the way. There's so many roadblocks. It is so hard to market this sometimes. It is so hard to keep up with this social media stuff. It's difficult as an entrepreneur in general with any business. And I think that's why we both believe in this so much and why we aren't going to give it up and we are always going to at least try to overcome those obstacles because we want to see people changing their life in these ways, for sure. Thank you so much for this. It was wonderful. I'm so glad that we got to put all of this into as much as we could into this podcast. I will probably split this into two, but I have been reflecting on our journey for a long time and I'm just really grateful that I was able to get you on here. So thank you for taking time out of your day for this.
[39:00] Kathie A: My pleasure. Anytime.
[39:02] Kacey K: And that is it. That is a wrap on my interview with Kathie Anderson, co coach inside of Simply Healthy Academy. And I mean, our journey has been fantastic, phenomenal. I am so proud to be able to call her a friend now and not just a colleague. I hope that you got out of these two episodes as much as we put into these two episodes. It really, truly is so hard to market what it is that we do. Sometimes in this instant society that we have with information at our fingertips, can.
[39:36] Kathie A: Be hard to do what we do.
[39:37] Kacey K: And stand out amongst the people making the loudest, most boisterous claims and things that are not true. At the end of the day. But the things that get the most clicks and the things that make the algorithm react and the things when you are polarizing out there in today's world that is what makes people pay attention. And unfortunately, we're not here to be polarizing. We're not making outrageous claims. We are simply trying to spread the truth and hope that every single woman out there comes across this information and is able to take advantage of Simply Healthy Academy and the services that we have available to truly transform your lives. Thank you for joining me on this episode of Simply Healthy You. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to this podcast and leave a review. I greatly appreciate your support. As always, stay curious, stay healthy, and until next time, take care.
[40:35] Kacey K: Thank you so much for listening to the Simply Healthy You podcast. If these episodes are resonating with you, go ahead and click that subscribe button and leave a review. With all the great nuggets that you're taking away from today's episode, I promise you I read every single one of them as your feedback is really valuable to me in creating future episodes. As your host, I look forward to having you join me for the next episode. But in the meantime, remember, keep it simple and eat more plants.